A misunderstanding of the purpose of elo

Somewhere along the way I fear the majority of comp atwar players developed a misunderstanding of what elo is and its purpose. Quite simply put it is a numerical figure which was designed to illustrate the strength of a player relative to the playing pool that the player is a part of. An extremely important feature of the system is it was designed to be SELF-CORRECTING. What that simply means is the model assumes as the sample size increases through more games being played that the system will correct itself by assigning the appropriate value over time. So for example if a player received an extraordinary performance that is actually an outlier that it will be corrected with time.
If you have a "high" elo and by playing players with much lower elo you eventually lose elo, all it means is that the system is correcting itself because the number that previously reflected your elo is NOT an ACCURATE representation of your playing strength relative to your playing pool. When the number of games played is small some players will be overrated while others will be underrated. Only by playing more and more games against a range of opponents do you allow the system time to correct itself.
Elo is not something that you can control, you can control playing strength and performance. It is not money , so you store it and when you see a worthwhile investment you invest hoping to make some gains.
I joined a chess website earlier this week and within 2 days I was able to be in the top 0.2 % of players. Why do I mention this? Simply because chess is the example of where elo does what is is supposed to. If everyone just played games I am confident players who want a high elo would eventually get one because practice and experience helps one improve, it would also create a healthier playing environment, more activity can only be good for all. Does it mean some guys will lose some elo, sure but as you improve you will regain it without problems. Which is better? To be weak players with fake numbers or to just be strong and have fun?

A loss is a loss, get over it.

I vote for mute dj003 for sevedays

Sorry but farming low elo isn't fun we are not all like lion sin retard, I can't have fun when i'm dueling mecoy so imagine if it's a 1300 elo.
High elo players don't need to play lower skilled player it won't make you stronger lol, you will get used to counter noob moves and will get raped by better players, just look at lion, he has a 60/50% winrate against mecoy and hineni when he has +150 elo, farming low elo noob doesn't make you stronger.

Fuck you froyer, Mr. I only know Ukraine.

But I agree with you. I don't play low elo players because its BORING. Not because I am scared of losing precious elo.

I have played more duels than you have games on AtWar DJ. I think it's safe to say i've done my fair share of dueling. Let people do what they want. The system is fine.

Napísal PleaseMe, 25.01.2021 at 15:59

Teach me Froyer, Mr. Best east player of all time

Fixed

Cituj:

Napísal Froyer, 25.01.2021 at 16:04

Fixed

DAMMIT i shouldnt have said that

Napísal Froyer, 25.01.2021 at 09:41

Sorry but farming low elo isn't fun we are not all like lion sin retard, I can't have fun when i'm dueling mecoy so imagine if it's a 1300 elo.
High elo players don't need to play lower skilled player it won't make you stronger lol, you will get used to counter noob moves and will get raped by better players, just look at lion, he has a 60/50% winrate against mecoy and hineni when he has +150 elo, farming low elo noob doesn't make you stronger.

First thing mecoy isnt a weak player just because he likes to troll in duels vs other ppl and ends up with low elo and 2nd my win rate vs hineni is not 60% lol , I've pretty sure my win rate vs hineni is better then yours vs hineni last 50 * days.

Edit : I also only recently got to 1600 elo a good portion of my duels vs hineni and mecoy I was not 150 elo above them.

Napísal Lion Sin Escanor, 25.01.2021 at 21:43

Napísal Froyer, 25.01.2021 at 09:41

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First thing mecoy isnt a weak player just because he likes to troll in duels vs other ppl and ends up with low elo and 2nd my win rate vs hineni is not 60% lol , I've pretty sure my win rate vs hineni is better then yours vs hineni last 100 days.

OUCH!

I had the same thoughts as you DJ, and I tried to enforce the proper idea of elo on others but obviously it just never worked. There will always be campers, rushers, farmers, etc., its inherent to this game. People care too much about this number instead of the actual experience and skill it takes to beat people.

It sucks, but I agree with Witch Doctor when he says to just ignore elo. Just duel without thinking about the number. If you play with that mindset, you will be less frustrated (not to say you are, but I sure was until I stopped thinking about it).

Ignoring ELO is already practical, having "High ELO" lost all meaning long ago when players like TENGRI (no offense) could rush their way to 1700. The number is already meaningless, and skill level shouldn't be measured by it. Same with seasonal duel winners. I stopped dueling all together for that reason.

Its better to focus efforts on tournaments and clan wars, they are objectively much better measures of skills if you do well in them.

Napísal Lion Sin Escanor, 25.01.2021 at 21:43

Napísal Froyer, 25.01.2021 at 09:41

Sorry but farming low elo isn't fun we are not all like lion sin retard, I can't have fun when i'm dueling mecoy so imagine if it's a 1300 elo.
High elo players don't need to play lower skilled player it won't make you stronger lol, you will get used to counter noob moves and will get raped by better players, just look at lion, he has a 60/50% winrate against mecoy and hineni when he has +150 elo, farming low elo noob doesn't make you stronger.

First thing mecoy isnt a weak player just because he likes to troll in duels vs other ppl and ends up with low elo and 2nd my win rate vs hineni is not 60% lol , I've pretty sure my win rate vs hineni is better then yours vs hineni last 100 days.

Random strats and expansions duel is troll, but mecoy does the same thing all the time except with Ukraine, ending up low elo is fine even if you troll (I was 1400 elo few months ago because of troll 1k duels) but I wasn't talking about his elo here, it was his skills he isn't a top tier player anymore.
Also my winrate agaisnt Hineni is better than yours xaxaxaxaxa, I have like 75% winrate a bit less if we count 1k duels.

But dude to have fun agaisnt every fucking 1400+ I need random strats and expansions.
That's why I don't spam duels anymore, not funny anymore+can't beat my peak because I can't farm you because you're dodging like a retard just cuz I'm trolling you all the day fucking sensitive bitch.

I just wait for a cw now, it's way better than duels

Cituj:

Cituj:

Random strats and expansions duel is troll, but mecoy does the same thing all the time except with Ukraine, ending up low elo is fine even if you troll (I was 1400 elo few months ago because of troll 1k duels) but I wasn't talking about his elo here, it was his skills he isn't a top tier player anymore.
Also my winrate agaisnt Hineni is better than yours xaxaxaxaxa, I have like 75% winrate a bit less if we count 1k duels.

But dude to have fun agaisnt every fucking 1400+ I need random strats and expansions.
That's why I don't spam duels anymore, not funny anymore+can't beat my peak because I can't farm you because you're dodging like a retard just cuz I'm trolling you all the day fucking sensitive bitch.

I just wait for a cw now, it's way better than duels

First I'm gonna say I like how ukeep trying to start a flame war with me but still not muted.

ofc I'm not going to waste my time playing with someone I dont like , u act like a ape everytime we dueled or talked yet u are still constantly mentioning me.Also I dont really care what u find interesting in duels , if u dont enjoy them dont play them idc but stop mentioning me.

Napísal Lion Sin Escanor, 26.01.2021 at 00:53

Napísal Froyer, 26.01.2021 at 00:42

Napísal Lion Sin Escanor, 25.01.2021 at 21:43

Napísal Froyer, 25.01.2021 at 09:41

First I'm gonna say I like how ukeep trying to start a flame war with me but still not muted.

ofc I'm not going to waste my time playing with someone I dont like , u act like a ape everytime we dueled or talked yet u are still constantly mentioning me.Also I dont really care what u find interesting in duels , if u dont enjoy them dont play them idc but stop mentioning me.

Dude I just used you as an example first post and you replied and lied about you having a better winrate agaisnt Hineni bahahahahaha, stop trying to look like the good guy you are one of the reason why seasonal trophies have no values you fucking retard.
Banning better players, farming low elo wow you're a nice guy, and if you tell me it's to teach low elo players you can 1n1 them like I was doing lol, you just use them for your farming sessions.

Cituj:

Dude I just used you as an example first post and you replied and lied about you having a better winrate agaisnt Hineni bahahahahaha, stop trying to look like the good guy you are one of the reason why seasonal trophies have no values you fucking retard.
Banning better players, farming low elo wow you're a nice guy, and if you tell me it's to teach low elo players you can 1n1 them like I was doing lol, you just use them for your farming sessions.

Edit : Let's make this easier to understand , name me 5 duelers I have banned , if u can name me 5 duelers I have banned this season I'll unban u lmao. Should be easy to do since I have all the good duelers banned

Napísal Lion Sin Escanor, 26.01.2021 at 01:50

Napísal Froyer, 26.01.2021 at 01:45

Napísal Lion Sin Escanor, 26.01.2021 at 00:53

Napísal Froyer, 26.01.2021 at 00:42

Napísal Lion Sin Escanor, 25.01.2021 at 21:43

Napísal Froyer, 25.01.2021 at 09:41

First I'm gonna say I like how ukeep trying to start a flame war with me but still not muted.

ofc I'm not going to waste my time playing with someone I dont like , u act like a ape everytime we dueled or talked yet u are still constantly mentioning me.Also I dont really care what u find interesting in duels , if u dont enjoy them dont play them idc but stop mentioning me.

Dude I just used you as an example first post and you replied and lied about you having a better winrate agaisnt Hineni bahahahahaha, stop trying to look like the good guy you are one of the reason why seasonal trophies have no values you fucking retard.
Banning better players, farming low elo wow you're a nice guy, and if you tell me it's to teach low elo players you can 1n1 them like I was doing lol, you just use them for your farming sessions.

Edit : Let's make this easier to understand , name me 5 duelers I have banned , if u can name me 5 duelers I have banned this season I'll unban u lmao.

Dude in summer you banned colon brutal and I cuz we were farming you, we were all 1600 elo and you were the only one 1500 elo, now you didn't ban anyone except me because other players aren't good enough to farm you that's all xaxaxaxaxa

Cituj:

Cituj:

Dude in summer you banned colon brutal and I cuz we were farming you, we were all 1600 elo and you were the only one 1500 elo, now you didn't ban anyone except me because other players aren't good enough to farm you that's all xaxaxaxaxa

So no one is banned ? Also I did legit tons of duels vs colon that season edit anyone can see 15 duels vs him without even scrolling that far. I even tried to do 3 duels with him this season but his wifi kept dcing

Napísal Lion Sin Escanor, 26.01.2021 at 02:05

Napísal Froyer, 26.01.2021 at 02:02

Napísal Lion Sin Escanor, 26.01.2021 at 01:50

Napísal Froyer, 26.01.2021 at 01:45

Napísal Lion Sin Escanor, 26.01.2021 at 00:53

Napísal Froyer, 26.01.2021 at 00:42

Napísal Lion Sin Escanor, 25.01.2021 at 21:43

Napísal Froyer, 25.01.2021 at 09:41

Dude in summer you banned colon brutal and I cuz we were farming you, we were all 1600 elo and you were the only one 1500 elo, now you didn't ban anyone except me because other players aren't good enough to farm you that's all xaxaxaxaxa

So no one is banned ? Also I did legit tons of duels vs colon that season edit anyone can see 15 duels vs him without even scrolling that far. I even tried to do 3 duels with him this season but his wifi kept dcing

That's because you didn't need to keep him banned when he stopped playing for 3 months xaxaxaxaxa

Cituj:

Cituj:

That's because you didn't need to keep him banned when he stopped playing for 3 months xaxaxaxaxa

froyer , these duels im talking about are from 150-200 days ago and both me and xcolo went inactive roughly the sametime i just came back about a week or 2 before him i think ....

Man, you guys need to learn how to quote properly..

Talking big about elo and having higher winrate blabla, still can't seem to understand the simple mechanics of quoting.

Dont fight guys.. Listen this,relax and enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dumhGF2eKF4&list=RD6gDV-OwRGHo&index=4

Also, in last 20 duels vs Lion Sin score is 11:9 for Lion...
vs Froyer score is : 7:3 for froyer(without 1k duels)

Napísal Waffel, 26.01.2021 at 04:31

Man, you guys need to learn how to quote properly..

Talking big about elo and having higher winrate blabla, still can't seem to understand the simple mechanics of quoting.

sorry mr waffel i think i fixed them now

Napísal Waffel, 26.01.2021 at 04:31

Im boring supersoyed ex-AW player.

Now proud Dogon-tribe-member.

Joseph and frogyer measuring their dicks to see who has it bigger

All of you who are arguing on this thread killed dueling
all of you arguing are campers
all of you literally play broken and overhyped strats'
all of you literally spam the same country
dueling is dead

stop trying to claw on to your little glory that you've had on this fuckin browser game
like arguing about muh winrates?
are you guys 10 years old?

Napísal winkcat, 26.01.2021 at 19:16

are you guys 10 years old?

I am, yeah

Napísal Mauzer Panteri, 26.01.2021 at 07:20

Napísal Waffel, 26.01.2021 at 04:31

Im boring supersoyed ex-AW player.

Now proud Dogon-tribe-member.

Wow look at you! You managed to properly form 2 whole sentences in English

Conglatulations!

Napísal Waffel, 28.01.2021 at 12:00

Conglatulations!

Last year u were funny was 2015.

Ok let's make the points clear here everyone knows that if I play duels in Europe it is very likely that I will lose since I am a noob in that modality, I have never been presumed or told anyone that I am better than him and that I do not want to play with On the contrary, I have left games won simply by not abusing a low rank in elo or in sp, here everyone knows that the highelo players of 1500 and 1600 never want to play with those of 1300 so if they the super elite players do not play with a 1300 because a 1300 would have to play with one less than 1100

This happens when friendship is at the end of the game and if I told dj that I did not want to play with him, putting the excuse of elo it was simple and I did not want to play another duel with him, it is simple, he is the type of player who knows that this lost without possibilities and stays to waste your time for 5 or 4 more turns

Here there are players who deserve my respect and admiration such as xcolon, flume, pasha, lion, pakistantiguer, zappa, etc. players who, being at a level higher than mine, always played with me regardless of the conditions

On the other hand, players like froyer and hineni did not accept my duel because they feared the devil rush of blizt turkey and froyer knows that he himself used the excuse with me of my low elo to not give me the opportunity to prove myself against him or to make him waste his time but He knows that I respect and admire him because I know the player he is and I have asked him many times to play against me in order to learn from his skills.

And the other thing is that many players who claim to be pro duels have used against my ds in ukrania even though they know that I am a dueling noob.

and what you do dj is not male, make yourself pass as someone's friend and pretend to be a nice person and then go out and talk shit about that person from behind.