The Truth About WWI: The Hidden History

Napísal Tundy, 22.11.2014 at 09:52

I love how Tito doesn't address the millions of deaths caused by communism and human made famine.

And don't forget how communist nations always have 0% crime rate, 0% unemployment, and 100% literacy rate

Napísal Skanderbeg, 22.11.2014 at 09:04

Hungarians controled Croatia since 1100ad, they controled it even in Austria Hungary, so i dont know how you bring serbs into croat-hungarian problem. Serbs were people living in military region defending austrians from the turks for 500 years. And austrians gratitute is force austrianization, croatization and conversion to catholicism.

Lets see:

- Hungarian historians admit Croatia and Hungary were in a equal union since year 1100. until they both accepted union with Austria ...Hungarian historians! <------
- Serbs defending the border for 500 years? ...dont bullshit you hahahahaha xD ...do you even know when the Serbs and Vlachs populated Krajina?
- Krajina military units consisted mostly of Croats and Germans (Austrians)...i gave you statistics and data long time ago

- Serbs supported "Mađarone" in Croatia because they couldnt stand the thought of living in Croatia ruled by Croats
- croatization ...bahahahaha omfg this isnt even worth replaying too

I could debunk and ridicioul any one of your posts like this above ...

You know ...its fuckin embarassing that in any historical topic you start mentioning serbs and croats ...like anyone gives a shit or like croats and serbs are relevant.

Napísal Skanderbeg, 22.11.2014 at 09:04

WW2 croat extremist killed 1,000,000 serbs, not 300,000, thats this modern propaganda trying to reduce numbers.

Croats werent terrorized by serbs, thats another false statement. Even croatian historians agree that croats had better life in Yugoslavia than in Austria or modern day Croatia.

Modern propaganda? ...you mean real statistical facts without counting people that were not even born in WW2?

Albert Einstein sent a letter to League of nations demanding that the horrible faith of Croatian people under Serbs must be stoped -- You smarter then Einstein?

UK agents went to Yugoslavia to investigate the allegations (you can find their report on the net) ...they confirmed Croats were abused in First Yugoslavia and that the serbs control everything.

What Croat historians? ...making up bullshit again are we.

Napísal Skanderbeg, 22.11.2014 at 09:04

Serbs fought for turks so their families dont die. Serbian families were hostages in turkish hands, so serbs were forced to fight for turks.

Prove this ...you cant, you made it up.

Serbian historians say Serbs lived better under ottomans then under serbian nobles who abused them far worse.

Napísal Skanderbeg, 22.11.2014 at 09:04

I dont see anything fascist, propagandist and chauvinist in my posts

lol

Napísal Skanderbeg, 22.11.2014 at 09:04

Krajina Army stayed and fought until civilians were gone, then army retreated as well. But croatian paramilitaries had more numbers so they catched civilians and killed them, they throw bombs on tractors, buses with mothers and children, they shoot bazookas on car full with families and convoy was moving 20km slow.

Give proof ...and why are you not commenting on Serbs running over their own civilians with tanks while running away from Krajina? Could it be shame?

I commented on Croats killing civilians from Krajina ...isolated incidents that needs to be and were prosecuted, no organized attack on civilians by Croatian army was intended or did happen ...Croats asked serbs to stay in Krajina and gave word that nothing bad would happen to them (how would it happen anyway with entire world watching ...u mad, u stupid?)

...could respond to all of your bullshit claims, but your just not that interesting or inteligent to debate with.

Napísal Skanderbeg, 22.11.2014 at 08:39

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Interesting point of view about china. We can see from 1976 how it works as you say.

But we cant see how USA get reports from north korea if they dont even have contact with them... can we? XA

EDIT: This is what wikipedia say about china...

Napísal Skanderbeg, 22.11.2014 at 14:32

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USA and Ukraine vote against anti-nazi resolution. Why are they supporting nazism i wonder.

They're not defending nazism they're defending free speech you jackass
Besides, if they vote to pass that then they should certainly pass anti - communist resolutions, considering communism is responsible for so many more deaths and so much more human suffering.

Napísal Viruslegion, 22.11.2014 at 14:46

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USA and Ukraine vote against anti-nazi resolution. Why are they supporting nazism i wonder.

They're not defending nazism they're defending free speech you jackass
Besides, if they vote to pass that then they should certainly pass anti - communist resolutions, considering communism is responsible for so many more deaths and so much more human suffering.

Charles, nazism = genocide

Napísal Skanderbeg, 21.11.2014 at 05:24

Napísal Khal.eesi, 21.11.2014 at 04:22

Russia started ww1.
Russia acting tough, protecting Serbia.
Russia first to exit ww1 and sign peace with the subhuman kebabs.
Disgrace
Gtfo

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Russia had large epic battles against Austria and Germany to relief Serbian front from pressure.
Communist, anarchists, Lenin, Trotsky backstabbed Russian Empire, agitating in army ranks, making strikes in weapon factories. Russian Army was left without ammo and soldiers started to leave, they joined communists who started revolution and civil war.
It is unable to fight war without ammo and when your chain of command is failing due to deserters.

Time to admit the truth.Russia sucked so bad in ww1, its embarasing!Facts dont lie.Russia lost all battles against Germany in the beggining of the war, way before the bolsheviks shit, so thats not an excuse.It only won battles against Austria.Because Austria was medium militarily, while German was a military powerhouse, no match for poor Russia.Russia was out of its league.Russia just thought that because it had millions of peasants and alot of land, it was superior.But wars are not won that way.Russia didnt have money,food,cloths,weapons and military competence for this war.It also made alot of strategic mistakes,cause the officers sucked, attacking heavily defended position with army of illeterate peasants.It just plainly sucked.And in the end, its the only country that while on the winning team, managed to be the only looser.First to cower off the war and sign peace treaty.It lost more people and territory than even the loosers of ww1 lol.well played

p.s.Russian empire was backstabed by jews, dont forget that next time you say jews never did anything bad

Napísal Skanderbeg, 21.11.2014 at 05:24

But what would you know about it, greek soldiers deserted army even before battle start[greek-turkish war 1897], so much about spartan myth and legends.
Greece didnt even join WW1 to help although Greece signed agreement with Serbia.

Tito..are you a masochist?Remember what happened the last 2 times you spourted lies about Greece.I came up with 2 pages post, filled with sources,proving your lies and ignorance.You never replied, you went in hiding.So why keep doing it?If you want to insult Greece, lol you can find alot of stuff, but lying is not gonna get you anywhere.Also attacking Greece military competence when you are Russian is...ehm..just stupid.All you have to do is count the casualties of both sides in every war and battle, to come up with the percentages and you can come to the conclusion, that Russia has been prooven a military failure.Greece, a small, bankrupted country since the beggining of its creation as a nation, always managed to perform good in wars and inflict great casualties to every enemy, in comparison with its own casualties and its small size and lack of money and arms.

Napísal Skanderbeg, 21.11.2014 at 05:24

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Greece didnt even join WW1 to help although Greece signed agreement with Serbia.

Greece had a specific agreement with Serbia.Greece would offer Serbia military help, if it was attacked by Bulgaria.The fact that Germany was in play, changes everything.Do you know the King of Greece was married to German emperor sister?He had military training in Germany and was a Germany supporter.The only reason Greece didnt join the war in Germany side, is because the Brit-France alliance, had put their own people in Greece, to divide the population and take Greece to their side.Because of that Greece announced its neutrality.Why cant we be neutral in a war, that in the end it doesnt concern us.I dont fucking get it.Why should we fight others wars.Why should we join ww1 i dont get it.Give me a reason.

And in the end, do you know why Greece joined the war?It was FORCED TO.French and Brits attacked us.They brought army in Athens and had destroyers in our port shooting.After battle with Athens Kings Guard against French-Brits, where they had superior weapons and ammunition, our army inflicted double casualties in the entente army, than they did.Im bored to go to wikipedia, you can find it there im sure.But small Greece divided in two could not face France and England alone, so the King surendered, Entente put friendly government and Greece joined ww1 in the entente side.First battle it did was a huge success and raped Bulgaria.We later procceded to free Serbia, along with Brit-French army.
Bottom line.Greece wanted to remain NEUTRAL and the Allies didnt let it.Fuck off.

Napísal Skanderbeg, 21.11.2014 at 05:24

But what would you know about it, greek soldiers deserted army even before battle start[greek-turkish war 1897],

Nice lie.Give a source about this.

Army deserters were a thing in Russia, but not in Greece.
Dont forget that Greece started this war.Greece, who was officially bankrupted and just came out of Ottoman occupation of hundred of years.It didnt have time for military training, it didnt have much supplies and food, weapons were old,slow,shortranged and ammunition 15 years old.But they didnt care.Their brothers in Crete were being abused by kebabs and we attacked.We took the island also.Against ottomans, who had superior army,reinforcements, new long range repeater mauser rifles and new ammunition.Not to mention we were backstabed by the Great powers also.They blockaded our sea and were against us.If i count the times that West backstabed Greece i need a whole page.And the funny thing is it was against muslims also.

Anyway Greece lost the war in the end.And i am ok with that.Ottoman army was superior in every way.They had German military training,funds and supplies, superior weapons and ammunitions and greater numbers, double than ours.Offcource it has to be noted that kebabs were afraid of sea battle and never dared to take battleships out and fight any kind of naval battle.I never heard about your fantasy history where Greek soldiers deserted army before the war.All i have read is that while outnumbered and inferior in every way against the Ottoman, we engaged in war.And we did kinda good if you check the casualties.

DEAD

greek:640
kebab:1059

INJURED

greek:2383
kebab:3238


i really dont know who is feeding you history.I mean seriously what the hell, where do you find your information?You know shit.And yet you are so quick in opening your mouth and bullshit coming out.How can you do this!How!

Napísal Skanderbeg, 23.11.2014 at 06:29

Napísal Khal.eesi, 23.11.2014 at 06:07

Napísal Skanderbeg, 21.11.2014 at 05:24

But what would you know about it, greek soldiers deserted army even before battle start[greek-turkish war 1897], so much about spartan myth and legends.
Greece didnt even join WW1 to help although Greece signed agreement with Serbia.

Why you change my quote? I didnt said 'but what would you know about it', you make false quotes lol haha

Is that how you talk and debate?

Pathetic.

Napísal Khal.eesi, 23.11.2014 at 06:07

Greece had a specific agreement with Serbia.Greece would offer Serbia military help, if it was attacked by Bulgaria.The fact that Germany was in play, changes everything.

So i was right, coward greece chicken out when it sees who is Serbias enemy haha. But if Serbia was at war with Montenegro or Albania greece would help right? You are brave enough to fight weaker countries, but you shit bricks when it comes to fight the stronger.

Thats the difference between slavs and the rest.

Napísal Khal.eesi, 23.11.2014 at 06:07

Fuck off.

Nice insult, thank you proving my point who you are.

1.lol?what are you talking about lmao.i just pressed the button quote i never changed anything..what are u talking about Tito lol.
2.i explained the situation.Greece-Serbia agreement was a specific aqgreement with specific terms and goals.It would take effect when Bulgaria attacked Serbia because Bulgaria common enemy.Serbia went out and started a world war, common sense and logic can be used to reach the conclusion, that agreement is invalid in that case.Not to mention, that as i said, our King was German ally..
3.When did Greece fought weaker countries lol!LOL!we went from Persians to Romans and then from Ottomans to Nazi Germany and then to Usa (economic war)..lol these are the greatest empires in the whole history of our planet, that passed through us.Lets just say im just glad and happy we are still alive as a nation

Napísal Skanderbeg, 23.11.2014 at 06:46

Napísal Khal.eesi, 23.11.2014 at 06:36

1. insults ['fuck off']
2. making up quotes ['but what would you know']
3. false statement ['serbia started world war']
4. antisemitism ['jews backstabed russia']

Debate was over with the 1. as side which start to insult is considered loser automaticly, because in debate sides are required to present facts and not insults.

Therefore everything you say after insult is nullified and invalid. You lose, i win, gg.

Try harder next time.

LOL!xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxxaxax!dude thanks for the laugh, seriously!thats why i love you

your argument is just too stronk.damnit.i admit it, i lost

Napísal Khal.eesi, 23.11.2014 at 06:36

3.When did Greece fought weaker countries lol!LOL!we went from Persians to Romans and then from Ottomans to Nazi Germany and then to Usa (economic war)..lol these are the greatest empires in the whole history of our planet, that passed through us.Lets just say im just glad and happy we are still alive as a nation

We fought:

•) Indians
•) Francis Drake's army
•) Napoleon's army
•) Penn & Venables army

•) Haiti's army (richer than USA back in early 1800's)

And we won'em all

<3 my country

Napísal Guest, 23.11.2014 at 00:13

Napísal Viruslegion, 22.11.2014 at 14:46

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USA and Ukraine vote against anti-nazi resolution. Why are they supporting nazism i wonder.

They're not defending nazism they're defending free speech you jackass
Besides, if they vote to pass that then they should certainly pass anti - communist resolutions, considering communism is responsible for so many more deaths and so much more human suffering.

Charles, nazism = genocide

Blatantly false.

Napísal Skanderbeg, 23.11.2014 at 10:43

Napísal Viruslegion, 23.11.2014 at 10:20

Napísal Guest, 23.11.2014 at 00:13

Charles, nazism = genocide

Blatantly false.

The very core point of nazism is genocide. Nazism means one nation think[believe] it is stronger, more valuable, better and nicer than the other which is characterized bad, evil, backwarded. So nazism solution for better life is to genocide other nations and advance your own.

Nazi Germany used nazism, targeted jews as guilty for world problems, and slavs as backwarded. Then they attacked both of them trying to ethnically cleanse them first, and then kill all in death camps.

Now i know what will you reply; nazism is about family, moral, traditional values, respect other humans, promote human rights?

The only reply I'll give you is that I'm done trying to educate you on matters that are clearly beyond your mental capacity, don't bother replying unless you decide to stop making up false statistics and events to try to support your blatantly false beliefs.

Napísal Viruslegion, 23.11.2014 at 10:20

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USA and Ukraine vote against anti-nazi resolution. Why are they supporting nazism i wonder.

They're not defending nazism they're defending free speech you jackass
Besides, if they vote to pass that then they should certainly pass anti - communist resolutions, considering communism is responsible for so many more deaths and so much more human suffering.

Charles, nazism = genocide

Blatantly false.

Nazism is the idea of Aryan Supremacy.

Napísal Guest, 23.11.2014 at 11:21

Napísal Viruslegion, 23.11.2014 at 10:20

Napísal Guest, 23.11.2014 at 00:13

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USA and Ukraine vote against anti-nazi resolution. Why are they supporting nazism i wonder.

They're not defending nazism they're defending free speech you jackass
Besides, if they vote to pass that then they should certainly pass anti - communist resolutions, considering communism is responsible for so many more deaths and so much more human suffering.

Charles, nazism = genocide

Blatantly false.

Nazism is the idea of Aryan Supremacy.

Believing in Aryan Supremacy does not automatically mean that you want to genocide every other race

Napísal Viruslegion, 23.11.2014 at 11:23

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Napísal Viruslegion, 23.11.2014 at 10:20

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Napísal Skanderbeg, 22.11.2014 at 14:32

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USA and Ukraine vote against anti-nazi resolution. Why are they supporting nazism i wonder.

They're not defending nazism they're defending free speech you jackass
Besides, if they vote to pass that then they should certainly pass anti - communist resolutions, considering communism is responsible for so many more deaths and so much more human suffering.

Charles, nazism = genocide

Blatantly false.

Nazism is the idea of Aryan Supremacy.

Believing in Aryan Supremacy does not automatically mean that you want to genocide every other race

The Nazis genocided people and the German people at first supported them so yeah it seems liek that

Napísal Guest, 23.11.2014 at 11:24

Napísal Viruslegion, 23.11.2014 at 11:23

Napísal Guest, 23.11.2014 at 11:21

Napísal Viruslegion, 23.11.2014 at 10:20

Napísal Guest, 23.11.2014 at 00:13

Napísal Viruslegion, 22.11.2014 at 14:46

Napísal Skanderbeg, 22.11.2014 at 14:32

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USA and Ukraine vote against anti-nazi resolution. Why are they supporting nazism i wonder.

They're not defending nazism they're defending free speech you jackass
Besides, if they vote to pass that then they should certainly pass anti - communist resolutions, considering communism is responsible for so many more deaths and so much more human suffering.

Charles, nazism = genocide

Blatantly false.

Nazism is the idea of Aryan Supremacy.

Believing in Aryan Supremacy does not automatically mean that you want to genocide every other race

The Nazis genocided people and the German people at first supported them so yeah it seems liek that

It happened once, yes, but if another nazi government rose to power that doesn't mean that they would necessarily begin genociding other races.

Napísal Viruslegion, 23.11.2014 at 11:28

Napísal Guest, 23.11.2014 at 11:24

Napísal Viruslegion, 23.11.2014 at 11:23

Napísal Guest, 23.11.2014 at 11:21

Napísal Viruslegion, 23.11.2014 at 10:20

Napísal Guest, 23.11.2014 at 00:13

Napísal Viruslegion, 22.11.2014 at 14:46

Napísal Skanderbeg, 22.11.2014 at 14:32

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USA and Ukraine vote against anti-nazi resolution. Why are they supporting nazism i wonder.

They're not defending nazism they're defending free speech you jackass
Besides, if they vote to pass that then they should certainly pass anti - communist resolutions, considering communism is responsible for so many more deaths and so much more human suffering.

Charles, nazism = genocide

Blatantly false.

Nazism is the idea of Aryan Supremacy.

Believing in Aryan Supremacy does not automatically mean that you want to genocide every other race

The Nazis genocided people and the German people at first supported them so yeah it seems liek that

It happened once, yes, but if another nazi government rose to power that doesn't mean that they would necessarily begin genociding other races.

They wouldn't have the support for it

Napísal Guest, 23.11.2014 at 11:33

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Napísal Viruslegion, 23.11.2014 at 11:23

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Napísal Viruslegion, 22.11.2014 at 14:46

Napísal Skanderbeg, 22.11.2014 at 14:32

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USA and Ukraine vote against anti-nazi resolution. Why are they supporting nazism i wonder.

They're not defending nazism they're defending free speech you jackass
Besides, if they vote to pass that then they should certainly pass anti - communist resolutions, considering communism is responsible for so many more deaths and so much more human suffering.

Charles, nazism = genocide

Blatantly false.

Nazism is the idea of Aryan Supremacy.

Believing in Aryan Supremacy does not automatically mean that you want to genocide every other race

The Nazis genocided people and the German people at first supported them so yeah it seems liek that

It happened once, yes, but if another nazi government rose to power that doesn't mean that they would necessarily begin genociding other races.

They wouldn't have the support for it

They would definitely have support in some places, if a nazi government rose to power in a country like Palestine or Iran they would easily have support to kill jews

Napísal Skanderbeg, 23.11.2014 at 05:46

History dont lie, Russia did lose many battles against Germany, but won every crucial and strategically important, then had to retread to stop communist riots.

If your western propaganda is true, then 'poor' and 'weak' Russia wouldnt be able to conquer 20 million km^2, Napoleon, China, Sweden, Poland, Turkey. But it did, which mean Russia is superior and always was, westerns are just jelly.

Bullshit -____-

1916:


if you're loosing land, you arent winning.

fact: russia sucked in WW1 so hard, after WW1 it lost against poland and finland

oh russia, an empire as huge as antarctica, and also as useless as antarctica, some oil, some snow huge taiga, small lands that can be used for farming.last time russia was powerfull was 1989, but zhe germany wanted to reuinite and Российская Федерация couldn't make it's soldiers shoot. since then russia lost most of it's influence sphere, lands that can be used for farming and half it's population.

- let's go bake weed cookies

Germany lost to UK, france and USA. Russia lost before that and russia lost more land than germany did, to poland and finland.
germany however didnt loose the polish-german war or the french german war, both part of the second world war.
loosing poland and finland counts as a loss...
And we at least won the cold war with our allies...wich you lost, really fucking lost.





- let's go bake weed cookies

Napísal Skanderbeg, 24.11.2014 at 04:52

Napísal Tirpitz406, 23.11.2014 at 18:15

fact: russia sucked in WW1 so hard, after WW1 it lost against poland and finland

Nope, Germany was weak and lost Prussia and Rhineland, then 20 years later Germany again lose the war and lose Silesia, Konigsberg, East Germany.

From 20th century, we can conclude Germany was weak militarily. It lost all wars it started and fought.

In the other hand, Russia didnt lose WW1, but lose Russian Civil War, and Soviet Union was created, which didnt participate in WW1 as successor state of Russian Empire.

Soviet Union beat Germany in WW2 and so we can conclude USSR is winner, while Germany is loser.

I think you are grabing little things, insignificant sometimes, only to prove and persuade others how your nation was stronger, yet innocent in 20th century.

No, no just no. Russia has so many unarmed troops, and it was LOSING the war by having more casualties. Germany was starving, but so was Russia.

Though I would disagree with Tirpitz saying that if you lose land you aren't winning: Well Kutuzov beat Napoleon but letting him take Moscow. Just sayin...ussia

And also Russia was a rival of colonial GB, that's how stronk Russian Empire was.

Napísal Skanderbeg, 24.11.2014 at 13:16

USA agree to end cold war, but it starts cold war 2. USA ignore deal and expand to former warsaw pact member states. Militarily speaking, USSR didnt had right to use nukes in cold war, neither did USA, but Russia is allowed to use nukes today as the very existance of russian nation is in danger because NATO is on the border. USA knew that, and they pushed forward provoking for war. So if Russia defend, USA can call it 'aggressor' 'attacker' 'evil empire'.

Btw i found out US pattern to keep 1# position: when they see some country oppose their totalitarian rule, they go train butthurt idle youngsters in that particular country to start 'color revolution' to overthrow legally elected government and impose US-lead one. If that doesnt work, they order extremist groups like Nazis[for europe/latin america] or jihadists[middle east] to attack. Like they did with Libya, Syria, Irak, Afghanistan and now Ukraine, color revolution failed but extremists took power.

of course, offically, the cold war has been ended, but in reality, your picture is the best proof that the country that couldnt stop it's citizens from protesting, lost it. also, the USA didnt expand, the nations themselves wanted to become nato and EU members, because of EU financial help and USA defense. you can't stop a people's free will, unless you use propaganda like russia does in eastern balkaans.

Libya...that was a revolution and in the end usa dropped like 1 bomb on tripoli so they could claim they won the whole thing >_<
same with ukraine and Syria.

and what happend in afghanistan 2001-today isn't different from what happend to afghanistan 1979-1989 (russian can good invade them middle east).

Napísal Skanderbeg, 24.11.2014 at 17:19

same what happened to Yugoslavia. USA was supporting terrorists and attacked legal government.

USA supported yugoslavia and yugoslavian unity all the way in 1991. and didnt want to see it break. ...cut the shit. Of course everyone realised preservence of yugoslavia was never the plan of the serbs or anyone involved.

Russian Communists have been radical since... like, 1917. Can't blame that on the Americans.
The Balkans have been a powder keg since the Ottomans conquered Constantinople in the 15th Century. Also not to blame on the Americans.

The "will of the people" is entirely modifiable. Very fluffy, like cotton candy. Once you have a couple billion dollars/euros/rubles to swing around, and this applies to those idiots in Moscow as well as those fools in Washington, the so-called "will of the people" of other countries can be modified as necessary. In fact, this "will" is so fluffy that it might as well not exist.

The Americans have been handed easy opportunities to weaken Russia (Balkan crisis, etc.) over and over again. They'd have been idiots to turn it down. Why would they not make use of these opportunities?

Just bear it out for another couple decades... the US can't be a superpower forever, right?

Also, just want to mention this. If Russia doesn't invade other countries, then how did they end up with, like, Warszawa in the 18th Century? That general area is majority Polish, I think.

Napísal Skanderbeg, 25.11.2014 at 06:56

War which is known in Croatia like ''Defensive War'' for example, obviousle false as you cant start rebellion and be defender, Yugoslavia was defending, rebels were attackers.

Croatian Serbs rebeled in Croatia in August 1990. by arming themselfs, later aided and armed by Jugoslav army
Croatia decleared independence in June 1991. by democratic legal ways like other republics by rights given to them in the constitution of Jugoslavija.

Rebels were attackers, Croatia was defending

Civil war was between Croatia and rebeled Serbs of Krajina who were aided by JNA and later Serbia ...while in Bosnia, civil war between Bosnian Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks with Croatia aiding Herceg-Bosnia, Serbia aiding Republic of Srpska and mujahedins coming to aid Bosniaks.

Point is everyone was aware Yugoslavia is no more and everyone wanted to grab as much a territory possible, no one was saving yugoslavia!