"Unfair" battle outcomes

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Napísané Ivan, 27.01.2015 - 03:11

Time and time again I hear people complaining about unfair battle outcomes. "Surely my superior force should've defeated that puny army?", they say. Well, in most case, sure, but there are exceptions, and they are absolutely necessary.

First of all, if you're interested in battle mechanics, I can recommend you to put the slowest battle speed in your settings - this will show the actual rolls (damage) and help you understand the mechanics. Also, here's a FAQ battles entry. Basically, every unit normally has 7 HP (hit points) and a certain range of attack and defense rolls (depending on the situation). That range is always 1 to max attack/defense (which you can see on the units page / units menu in the game).

Now, if you're extremely unlucky, your unit will roll 1 several times in a row, only dealing 1 damage each time. It would take 8 hits just to take one enemy unit down. Every time you attack, an enemy unit fires back (using their defense stats). So, every time you will also be taking damage. Again, in an extreme situation, enemy can take down one unit per shot.

Things like that happen, and the randomness and unpredictability factor that they bring is extremely important to keep the gameplay exciting and being closer to the real world, where as you know, pure numbers don't always win and unpredictable outcomes happen all the time.

clovis1122 Epic Clan Príspevky: 9043 Od: Dominikánska republika	03.09.2015 - 08:27 clovis1122 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 05:13 i was ds so my helis had 8 attack and this militia has only 3 def That's pretty normal. Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 05:13 the range of luck is about ±50%. In my opinion its to much! *Adds up the battle stacking bonus Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Lemonade Strategy - None Príspevky: 1464 Od: Rovníková Guinea	03.09.2015 - 08:39 Lemonade Napísal clovis1122, 03.09.2015 at 08:27 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 05:13 i was ds so my helis had 8 attack and this militia has only 3 def That's pretty normal. Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 05:13 the range of luck is about ±50%. In my opinion its to much! *Adds up the battle stacking bonus so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
clovis1122 Epic Clan Príspevky: 9043 Od: Dominikánska republika	03.09.2015 - 08:47 clovis1122 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? Yes, specially when you didn't took into account the Napísal clovis1122, 03.09.2015 at 08:27 *Adds up the battle stacking bonus You can have 15 difference in att/def, but he also have 3 more troops than you. Depending on how this mechanic work you can be benefited or the neutrals. If your tests result in 50% then I assume neutrals got benefit. It would'be useful if you put the speed in 'very slow' (as Ivan said) so we can see the rolls there. Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Stryko Účet zmazaný	+1 03.09.2015 - 10:07 Stryko Účet zmazaný You're just bad. Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
notserral Príspevky: 1447	+1 03.09.2015 - 10:55 notserral Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP ---- Napísal Mahdi, 23.11.2013 at 20:30 I don't consider the phrase "massive fag" to be an insult. Mods did. Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Lemonade Strategy - None Príspevky: 1464 Od: Rovníková Guinea	03.09.2015 - 11:01 Lemonade Napísal notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Steve Aoki ENIGMA Príspevky: 1455 Od: Srbsko	03.09.2015 - 12:09 Steve Aoki Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Napísal notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Lemonade Strategy - None Príspevky: 1464 Od: Rovníková Guinea	03.09.2015 - 12:14 Lemonade Napísal Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:09 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Napísal notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. 15 pd inf have 60 attack and 8 inf have 54 def, so its easy possible that they would fail. ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Steve Aoki ENIGMA Príspevky: 1455 Od: Srbsko	03.09.2015 - 12:52 Steve Aoki Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 12:14 Napísal Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:09 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Napísal notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. 15 pd inf have 60 attack and 8 inf have 54 def, so its easy possible that they would fail. *48 def. Difference between mine and yours fight in attack/def is 3. Difference in hp? well, i had 15 units vs 8. You have 5 units vs 8. Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Lemonade Strategy - None Príspevky: 1464 Od: Rovníková Guinea	03.09.2015 - 13:08 Lemonade Napísal Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:52 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 12:14 Napísal Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:09 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Napísal notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. 15 pd inf have 60 attack and 8 inf have 54 def, so its easy possible that they would fail. *48 def. Difference between mine and yours fight in attack/def is 3. Difference in hp? well, i had 15 units vs 8. You have 5 units vs 8. so neutral infs havnt the +1 city bonus? ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
notserral Príspevky: 1447	03.09.2015 - 13:14 notserral Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? What? 8 militia = 56 HP ---- Napísal Mahdi, 23.11.2013 at 20:30 I don't consider the phrase "massive fag" to be an insult. Mods did. Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Lemonade Strategy - None Príspevky: 1464 Od: Rovníková Guinea	03.09.2015 - 13:40 Lemonade Napísal notserral, 03.09.2015 at 13:14 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? What? 8 militia = 56 HP yes but still 4 def ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
notserral Príspevky: 1447	03.09.2015 - 13:44 notserral Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 13:40 Napísal notserral, 03.09.2015 at 13:14 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? What? 8 militia = 56 HP yes but still 4 def 3 against helis, but still, you attacked with too few units. If you add one more heli you can probably beat 8 militia 90% of the time ---- Napísal Mahdi, 23.11.2013 at 20:30 I don't consider the phrase "massive fag" to be an insult. Mods did. Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Lemonade Strategy - None Príspevky: 1464 Od: Rovníková Guinea	03.09.2015 - 13:46 Lemonade Napísal notserral, 03.09.2015 at 13:44 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 13:40 Napísal notserral, 03.09.2015 at 13:14 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? What? 8 militia = 56 HP yes but still 4 def 3 against helis, but still, you attacked with too few units. If you add one more heli you can probably beat 8 militia 90% of the time i had 5 attack units, how many should i send? 12?!? Bargain lost with 6 marines against 6 neutral militia The current battle system is broken and should be change! ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Steve Aoki ENIGMA Príspevky: 1455 Od: Srbsko	03.09.2015 - 13:52 Steve Aoki Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 13:08 Napísal Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:52 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 12:14 Napísal Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:09 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Napísal notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. 15 pd inf have 60 attack and 8 inf have 54 def, so its easy possible that they would fail. *48 def. Difference between mine and yours fight in attack/def is 3. Difference in hp? well, i had 15 units vs 8. You have 5 units vs 8. so neutral infs havnt the +1 city bonus? no, neutrals are neutrals. They are just a units. No bonuses to them. Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Lemonade Strategy - None Príspevky: 1464 Od: Rovníková Guinea	03.09.2015 - 13:55 Lemonade Napísal Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 13:52 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 13:08 Napísal Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:52 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 12:14 Napísal Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:09 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Napísal notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. 15 pd inf have 60 attack and 8 inf have 54 def, so its easy possible that they would fail. *48 def. Difference between mine and yours fight in attack/def is 3. Difference in hp? well, i had 15 units vs 8. You have 5 units vs 8. so neutral infs havnt the +1 city bonus? no, neutrals are neutrals. They are just a units. No bonuses to them. so you agree with me that the current range of luck is too much ?!? ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Tigro Účet zmazaný	+1 03.09.2015 - 13:57 Tigro Účet zmazaný Although there is obviously chances you get completely shitty rolls, I can confirm the game definitely has some different mechanics. For example sometimes an unit will get its HP reset instead of dying when it's the last one remaining (and some other conditions I don't know yet), clovis made a thread about it and you can easily confirm this by attacking a gen with a gen, given how the battles should normally work it should always be a draw but it doesn't happen, instead the defender always wins. Also there's stack bonus (confirmed by amok and easily reproduced, go make a custom and use big stacks against neutrals with infs, the neutrals will get a lot of 1 dmg rolls). I know I'm kinda late to the thread, sorry, but I had to say this. It'd be REALLY nice if admins gave more exact info on how the battles work, we would all appreciate it. Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Steve Aoki ENIGMA Príspevky: 1455 Od: Srbsko	03.09.2015 - 14:04 Steve Aoki Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 13:55 Napísal Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 13:52 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 13:08 Napísal Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:52 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 12:14 Napísal Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:09 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Napísal notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Napísal Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. 15 pd inf have 60 attack and 8 inf have 54 def, so its easy possible that they would fail. *48 def. Difference between mine and yours fight in attack/def is 3. Difference in hp? well, i had 15 units vs 8. You have 5 units vs 8. so neutral infs havnt the +1 city bonus? no, neutrals are neutrals. They are just a units. No bonuses to them. so you agree with me that the current range of luck is too much ?!? no, i really like when i fail something that looks like free paris in cw and lose west cuzz of that. Ofc i do, i feel like most of the times rolls are... well, ok. Luck goes on both sides, but sometimes shit happens. And by shit i mean shit that shouldnt happend. At all. Ever. Add 1 unit tbs, small bugs and you aint gonna sleep peacifully at nights. Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Eagle (Moderátor) Príspevky: 1481 Od: Srbsko	03.09.2015 - 14:07 Eagle (Moderátor) Cituj: Cituj: So you agree with me that the current range of luck is too much ?!? no, i really like when i fail something that looks like free paris in cw and lose west cuzz of that. Ofc i do, i feel like most of the times rolls are... well, ok. Luck goes on both sides, but sometimes shit happens. And by shit i mean shit that shouldnt happend. At all. Ever. Add 1 unit tbs, small bugs and you aint gonna sleep peacifully at nights. The game became like 2 players throw a dice, higher number wins. 70% of games today are won by pure luck, usually not involving any skill ---- Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Lemonade Strategy - None Príspevky: 1464 Od: Rovníková Guinea	03.09.2015 - 15:01 Lemonade Cituj: Cituj: Napísal Eagle, 03.09.2015 at 14:07 So you agree with me that the current range of luck is too much ?!? no, i really like when i fail something that looks like free paris in cw and lose west cuzz of that. Ofc i do, i feel like most of the times rolls are... well, ok. Luck goes on both sides, but sometimes shit happens. And by shit i mean shit that shouldnt happend. At all. Ever. Add 1 unit tbs, small bugs and you aint gonna sleep peacifully at nights. The game became like 2 players throw a dice, higher number wins. 70% of games today are won by pure luck, usually not involving any skill i agree with you and hope that they will decrease the random "luck" ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
bargain Príspevky: 233 Od: Djibouti	03.09.2015 - 15:17 bargain I have a question. Let's say 2 tanks(each 5 hp) and 1 inf(8 hp) atack 1 inf(8hp). Tank deals 8 damage(atacking), infantry deals 7 damage(defending). Inf and tank dies and then who takes 2 damage? Another tank or inf ? Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
Stryko Účet zmazaný	+1 03.09.2015 - 15:21 Stryko Účet zmazaný Napísal bargain, 03.09.2015 at 15:17 I have a question. Let's say 2 tanks(each 5 hp) and 1 inf(8 hp) atack 1 inf(8hp). Tank deals 8 damage(atacking), infantry deals 7 damage(defending). Inf and tank dies and then who takes 2 damage? Another tank or inf ? the tank, as it has higher attack points than infs Nahrávam... Nahrávam...
SyrianDevil Illyria Príspevky: 2332	19.11.2017 - 02:24 SyrianDevil Napísal Eagle, 29.01.2015 at 04:23 Someone finally heard my cry! same ---- Our next Moments are Tomorrows Memories Nahrávam... Nahrávam...

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