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Napísal 77TENGRI99, 04.04.2025 at 15:13

Napísal YourSphinx, 04.04.2025 at 00:44

Sphinx.

In 1918, communist freaks murdered the Russian Royal Romanov family in their basement.

the romanov family was murdered by bolshevik JEWS in a satanic ritual (they worked so hard to hide this with fake propaganda and censor. never ask about this on chatgpt it will get removed instantly)

Those who know…

Napísal YourSphinx, 04.04.2025 at 00:44

Sphinx.

In 1918, communist freaks murdered the Russian Royal Romanov family in their basement.

the romanov family was murdered by bolshevik JEWS in a satanic ritual (they worked so hard to hide this with fake propaganda and censor. never ask about this on chatgpt it will get removed instantly)

Lol we're censoring dave's name now?

Dave kidnapped me

I think dave surrounded himself with the wrong people and whats worse he trusted them and gave them power, which is normal actually the most power hungry people are the ones to make it and then use that power how they want
like Stalin in the Ussr he didnt rule it for so long by being a great statesman for sure , and reading by the comments here on sid u can draw a pretty good parallel, ban dissenters and surround urself with puppets and yes-men.
These are ppl that dont really care about the good of the game but their own ego , if everyone was against them they would permaban everyone destroy the community and leave themselves too just in spite. (which kinda happened already)
If dave thinks hes flawless and hasnt made a single wrong decision in picking staff , bans or whatever then hes an egoist too and theres simply no point to argue about that.
Marking people as toxic and permabanning is also illogical cus who decides who is toxic or not its not a logical measurement , and id bet if u made an anyonymous poll about dave , sid croat or whoever majority would mark them as toxic too.
Many years ago i remember reading the forum drama of croat vs CE, which was some of the funniest banter ive ever read but if that happened today the posts and threads would be deleted, croat would be called toxic,racist and permabaned maybe and CE too as well which puts todays situation in perspective , its probably why nowadays theres not much discussion going on in forums anyway since they have been "sterilized" of toxicity.
Banning or permaban ppl for cheating is k , but permabaning bugs for cheating while slapping pavle on the wrist for the same thing and letting him keep supporter status , id rather u just come and take a crap on my head
than doing this kangaroo court stuff.

Nerd

Pm to join

Napísal Tribune Aquila, 22.02.2025 at 01:31

The world has CHANGED.

Ukraine lost 20% of its own LAND. Russia OWNS Crimrea. Russia OWNS Luhansk. Russia OWNS the coastline.

It is OUTRAGEOUS that the world map has not been updated already. Peace negotiations are ALMOST DONE. These borders are obviously NOT changing.

This proposal should be expedited because it is hurting the dignity of millions of Russians who play this game.

Add Kosovo as well, then.

Napísal nutt, 26.02.2025 at 21:30

There should be a downvote option on forums

YouTube Rewind 2018 would repeat.

Napísal Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:14

Napísal b2spirit, 17.03.2025 at 00:15

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Nice necropost

Necropost? It was never fixed.

Napísal Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:10

Still good years later, well done

You banned over half the people in the videos.

Sphinx.

[Dave]:
Not here to placate waffels 300th goodbye post or stir up past grievances. First, Dave I owe you a small apology for 2022. I never had any grievances with you and still don't to this day. I'm grateful you bought this place and kept the lights on, even if it didn't make financial sense from an IRR perspective. I've long known you've had deranged, resentful communist types in your ear whispering about their grandiose game plans in which you MUST purge players, that just so happen to align with their petty, decade long inferiority complexes. I've never held that against you. More on that later. I've never blame you once for anything that happened here and you have my gratitude. I know I'll take some shit from ole lao for saying this, but who cares, I've always been my own player.

[Nostalgia fagging, can skip]:
Of all of the years I played this game, I'd say 2017-2018 was my favorite, with the covid season being a close second. 2017-18 era was peak competition, aristrocrats, mk, illyria, peaky blinders, amigos and more. I remember I was invited to aristo by Klevis, as probably the only developed rank 7 at the time. Days later, Klevis never logged in again, so I was in search for a new clan. I remember looking at Illyria, one of the three great clans and wanting in. I was hungry for knowledge and Laochra, who I consider the most complete player ever, was who I wanted to learn from. I joined. It was dead. A dusty hall of old legends who hadn't really competed in years. Lao was occasionally dueling but there was no one to clanwar with. I invited 4nic my best friend and 2v2 partner. We began dominating and slowly the clan began to stir back to life. Lao integrated us well, acq became active again, dbacks too, khal for a season or two before he ran off to get married. Chill ran a tight ship, nero was our cheerleader and syrian depressingly wandered the halls, I was in love. I got my friends boywind and witch-doctor to join. We dominated the clan war scene for a year straight with decisive season wins. We had such a stacked squad that our second string could've probably won seasons alone. Everyone hated us, except for us. We had a monopoly on talent, with the personalities to go with it We were a tightly knit clique that other clans tried to emulate, but could never. Total Illyrian Nationalism. This lead to a resentful out group, more on this later.

Covid was a fun season where everyone came back and we had the most active, most competitive season to date. The gameplay was sketchier and more unconventional, but at the end of the day, it was an amazing way to spend the pandemic and have one last dance with familiar friends and foes. And I am grateful.

[The elephant in the room]:
When Dave bought this game there was a power vacuum and extreme information asymmetry from a player to owner standpoint. Asymmetric information occurs when one party has more superior information than another. In this case Dave, who hadn't wasted years of his life on this wonderful game like us, was at a disadvantage. He was brutally taken advantage of by Sid, to no fault of his own. When buying the game, Dave was not aware of the extremely nuanced player caste system, who to listen to, who to avoid, who to trust. it would've been impossible. He was taken advantage of by a resentful player who pretended to have altruistic and unbiased narratives but used the unaware dave as a bludgeon against all of his in-game opponents.

[Mini history lesson]
Mods typically were a combination of player votes and an inner mod conclusive vote. Mods consisted of many well respected, top players with freakish outliers like sultan, google chrome, and a younger version of cold case (he's cool now). Sid was not voted by players nor elected by mods. He spent his time sucking off Sun Tzu, the admin at the time, in a similar way he did to Dave. Sid was quietly and unilaterally promoted by the now disgraced Sun Tzu days before he was demoted for taking bribes from a player to complete a task. Players mostly didn't mind because he remained quiet and reasonable. Years later, during covid, Brian announced he wouldn't have internet for awhile (lol), so Sid was "temporarily" elevated to community manager with a red badge. To no ones surprise, he never stepped down and became some sort of authoritarian right hand admin, who never ever mentioned any of this. During this time he elevated fellow apparatchiks to modship who wouldn't question him. NPCs like lelouch, mobster, dire and others who have came and went. It was a total shit show. There was no longer diversity of thought or opinion, it was a one man regime, with dissenters being demoted or banned.

[The boil-over]
After years of wearing the mask, in 2022 Sid went mask off. Banning waffel and laochra, setting of the 2022 "crisis" events, and despite essentially the whole player base and 80% of the mods telling him to step down, he held on for dear life. Anyone in the "cool kids club" was nuked, players deleted, quit, lashed out. Sure, maybe this game was in decline, but that certainly was a shot of morphine into the artery of atwar. Atwar is like a tree of life, a few established players leave and it causes ripples that lead to many others stepping away. Sid resented Laochra and others on a personal level for his failure to fit in the competitive ingroup. He didn't have the skill to compete or the personality to entertain and instead of doing his own thing like a normal person he harbored that resentment for years until he could go scorched earth.

The end-game
A resentful, freakish, inferior freak tried to convince dave to essentially corporatize AtWar. I look at Sids awful plan like Bolshevism. In 1918, communist freaks murdered the Russian Royal Romanov family in their basement. Tsar Nicholas II, his wife, and their 5 children, the youngest child being 13, were brutally murdered. The bolsheviks killed the children too because they knew that if they left even one alive, the people would be able to cling onto an heir of the throne and it threatened their one party communist rule. You may be thinking, wtf Sphinks has gone insane, stay with me here. Like the bolsheviks, Sid wanted to eradicate all atwar history, as he had never taken part in it. He wanted to dismantle players clans, hierarchies, the competitive system as a whole. These were words out of his mouth. He wanted to flatten this whole game, start anew and be the glorious leader of "hundreds of thousands" of braindead bots, who had no notion of what "Mortal Kombat was, or what a 3v3 Europe game was". I am not exaggerating this plan, he wanted to raze this place for a monetized botfarm. This is sheer resentment of someone who has never won a clan war season, never played a game with the season on the line, climbed the duel rank charts. They wanted it ALL GONE. All of you who spent years contributing to this community were nothing but cattle, replaceable, expendable. During the peak of being high on his own supply he even mentioned that "AtWar would be his retirement plan" once it went mainstream. These are verifiable facts. Once that plan seemed unattainable he just disappeared, leaving a path of ruin and bans in his wake.

[The whitepill]
It's not all doom and gloom. I know for a fact this game isn't near the top of priorities in Daves busy life, especially in this volatile economic climate. But there are many talented, genius individuals here who would love to help you fix this place up and perhaps monetize it better. But thats a conversation for another time. This place is one of a kind, and there are ways to increase revenue and player-count with it becoming a soulless slop-fest. And I appreciate you for at least keeping the lights on for now.

[Final Thoughts]
At the end of the day, AtWar is more than just a game, it's a living, breathing community built by the blood, sweat, and rivalries of its players. Dave, you've kept this chaotic, beautiful mess alive, and for that, we owe you. The scars of the past, won't fade easily, but they're a testament to what this place once was and could be again. There's still life in these halls, still talent willing to step up, and still a chance to turn this into something sustainable without losing its soul. Let's not let resentment or apathy write the final chapter.

Everybody rank 9 and up except for woojoo*

Wait a second. Before taking any step, we should clarify who is considered pro and who is not. I say everybody level 9 and up.

Pros, I will never be considered a pro lol.

Jobber... same i am jobber also

Join the discord: https://discord.gg/qYMQxHZ6

we plan casual game scenarios on the discord
i have a job now so i can only play casual...
i need people to join so we can fill more games...

I remember the curiousity that rich and wide community and game styles such as 2011-2012 could invoke. So many different players and views, so many game styles. Every night to stay awake was well worth it.

I remember the small and well known community that late 2010s atwar used to be. I remember what a broken soul I had and how important it was to have that corner.

That being said, afterwind and atwar will only have meaning, and continue to exist only if we'd be wise to learn from what we enjoyed and were riviliged to experience. 1000 more eu+/wwi games would not change it, and no matter if we were called rats/cockroaches by the late time mods.

Despite all the jealously and the bad blood, after this game shuts down, remember that you still have that friend Roai, who remembers you and wishes all the best for you.

Napísal Nero, 02.04.2025 at 18:54

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Holy shit is this actually Nero

But the fact that a former Mod says this speaks volumes of the problems AW is facing and faced. Dave, if its not clear by now, you can atleast start by unbanning those from the 2021 stuff. And probably Bugs too, I doubt he would cheat again. and besides, Pavle cheats and he is head supporter and unbanned, so I think its only fair.

Atwar has given me rushes I crave for to this day, playing cws for hours and carrying lategame, losing in incredible fashion (thanks tungston and others) or the rush of being someone who I've been trying to beat for months to years. Discussing strategy in this game is fun and incredibly captivating. Trolling low ranks is the equivalent to true happiness, training them is impossible but also a fun thing to try and do.

Helping people get premium, being toxic as hell, im sure most people have had similar experiences when they were low ranks getting dogged on but being able to talk to the vast community. it's been years but I literally remember hundreds maybe a thousand different players even from all the few but valuable years I was able to play. The past is far behind us but I know I',m not just feeling nostalgia, those were great times for not just me but for countless people.

It's easy to blame in hindsight but people move on and this game definitely suffered after people lost the thing that made this game so great : the people who were part of the diverse culture of atwar. Shameful to see this put on blast here and have to relive the sad state of affairs put together by all the players and mods, 99% of people know what the problem is, and I think personally only half or less of the blame can be put on the owner, But rather his advantageous sidekick who swayed him in the wrong direction. Much love to keeping the game running and forums accessible, and thanks to the original devs for designing this work of art.

Hi I am Nero

I have to post in this before it gets locked, and I'm surprised it hasn't been already. Like many others, this game was my childhood. Other kids had RuneScape or WoW, I had Afterwind. I have years of fond memories, and even served as a mod for a time.

With that out of the way, it speaks volumes alone that the forum is full of the same complaints over 3 years later. It also just so happens that that's about the only activity the forum really gets, maybe new players are put off by the hour loading time that has been present since day 1.

I remember Dave saying he bought the game because he loved it, he saw a future for it. That's why, instead of modernizing some features, he started an anti-toxicity crusade against some of the most established players. And what good did that do? Over 3 years later, the most activity this game gets is transient guests. And yet, here I am posting in a thread made by Waffel. Why would we come to post this after not playing for years? Because WE LOVE THE GAME TOO!

Maybe the administration and I have different views of community, but there has been no benefit to ANY community on this game. All I see now is a barren safe space for no one. People play games for fun, so when you ban or chase out the players having fun, no one will want to play. That's what happened to me, and I'm sure many others. And now that the toxic players and all their buddies are gone, you get no scenarios, no clan wars, no tournaments, and a dead forum. Just the fact that it took a thread from Waffel to revitalize the forums should tell you what you need to know.

I think it's time to admit that a few trolls aren't the worst thing about this game, and that a certain owner took poor advice. That scary toxic community is here years later wishing this game was playable, while the anti-toxicity crusaders have disappeared and left the game in shambles.

Napísal Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:41

Napísal Palmitas, 16.03.2025 at 18:42

I always said this: I believe that people change. People can sometimes see that they fucked up, and correct it. I believe Dave can change mistakes he did in the past.

As for profits, it is a very tough spot indeed, but you can increase activity by just unbanning people, its a no brainer to atleast start from that and give it a shot.

The only mistake I've made with atWar was actually caring TOO much about the community and what other people think. It caused me to waste too much time talking to people trying to make them see my position. Nobody cares. Waffel is the perfect example. I spent HOURS talking with that dude, listening to his concerns, telling him mine, and trying to reach understanding. Then he goes off and posts things which only show me that he absolutely did not understand anything I said. The lesson I've learned: people are gonna bitch no matter what. Nothing I say will change their minds. Just do what you need to do for the best interests of the game and ignore the noise.

If I had it to do over, I would have banned people faster and not wasted so much time explaining why. Activity was already declining before, and continued declining after.... banning a few toxic people who needed to go didn't do anything to change the course the game was already on. In other words: no great loss. The upshot: somewhat less moderation issues to have to deal with. The trade-off was and is worth it.

It does irritate me however when people say I "don't care" about atWar. It's easy for people to sit back and make accusations when they don't have the real life responsibilities to deal with like I do. I know better than to expect any sympathy or understanding from this community. But I do keep atWar running and deal with the emergencies when things break, no matter how busy I am with other things. Is that the act of someone who doesn't care?

Dave, do you mind spending few minutes to write your plans for this game and everything? Its means a lot to some of us to hear what is happening with this game and future plans for it? When i say future plans, i mean in this year. Thanks in advance.

Napísal Lev Davidovic, 02.04.2025 at 11:14

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Its true, its pointless to talk with some people. As palm said its pointless to talk with SOME people, not all of them. If a bunch of people says they will play if some guy like Lion or whatever would be unbanned, whats the issue about it? Unbann and see what happens. People keep playing? Fine. They bother you? Bann them again. Indeed not much chatting-caring-hours needed.

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Napísal Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:41

The only mistake I've made with atWar was actually caring TOO much about the community and what other people think. It caused me to waste too much time talking to people trying to make them see my position. Nobody cares. Waffel is the perfect example. I spent HOURS talking with that dude, listening to his concerns, telling him mine, and trying to reach understanding. Then he goes off and posts things which only show me that he absolutely did not understand anything I said. The lesson I've learned: people are gonna bitch no matter what. Nothing I say will change their minds. Just do what you need to do for the best interests of the game and ignore the noise.

If I had it to do over, I would have banned people faster and not wasted so much time explaining why. Activity was already declining before, and continued declining after.... banning a few toxic people who needed to go didn't do anything to change the course the game was already on. In other words: no great loss. The upshot: somewhat less moderation issues to have to deal with. The trade-off was and is worth it.

It does irritate me however when people say I "don't care" about atWar. It's easy for people to sit back and make accusations when they don't have the real life responsibilities to deal with like I do. I know better than to expect any sympathy or understanding from this community. But I do keep atWar running and deal with the emergencies when things break, no matter how busy I am with other things. Is that the act of someone who doesn't care?

Reacting to your message

Being a leader (of atwar in this case) will inevitably result in people lashing out at you occasionally, regardless of what you do. Trust me when I say that the players in here - who possess an IQ higher than 90 - are well aware of you caring about atwar and nurturing it throughout the years. They are also aware of what you've got right and wrong though, that's better to keep in mind.

It's good to see you finally admitting that community management is not your task. Let a community manager do it instead. Moderation is not your task either. Let moderators do it. If you meant "caring too much" in this sense, you are right.

Palm also said this... I will reiterate. Players are good at identifying problems, but horrible at solving them. Do not listen to anyone, put their feedbacks in a bag and conclude yourself what should be done. Polls sometimes don't work in your favor either because players don't know what they really want, they don't understand game development.


Comparing AW to other games

One thing is certain... atWar is not moving forward for a decade. Rome: Total War is a strategy game that had been released back in 2004, 21 years ago. It has 1000 players daily on steamcharts and a small but loyal fanbase/community playing it together and modding it ever since. This is similar to what you have in atWar with map makers and the competitive players. It is natural that every other kind of player abandoned this game (scenario players for instance). TW Rome has maybe 5-10 modders at this point who still log in sometimes to keep their legendary mods alive that people keep playing 20+ years after launch. Now imagine you're the chairman and you ban 8 or 9 of these modders, then claiming it is a loud minority. I mean you're not wrong, mathematically or statistically speaking, but in the end you're still wrong.

The key difference is evidently that there's a new Total War game every 3 years or so in a continuous development cycle, which keeps hooking in more and more people, refreshing the core playerbase over time. In fact, the Total War games probably have a couple thousand people playing them world wide, not accounting for the hundreds of thousands who play around a new one's launch as newbies or game tourists. AtWar could easily have this too if it had bots, maybe a seasonal design (gameplay wise, not only CWs).


My suggestion which you may or may not ignore

I'm basically a nobody (to you) so I doubt you'd take my advice, but I'd still recommend you something in retrospect (perhaps does not matter anymore) -> focus on improving/developing the game itself, maybe even outsource that and focus on the management of it (depending on how much more money you'd like to throw at the game after all). Implement some of the suggestions that people keep pushing in a feedback format for years. Adding bots for instance - I know it is a huge challenge programming wise.

Let's say you take my advice and start implementing those things in your free time, or hire someone to do it. Well, the first question that comes to mind is... "OK, if I change so many things deeply embedded into the game for years, or add a lot of new crap, will the very few remaining players also leave?". The answer to that is very tricky. Most likely, yes, most of them will, but you also get the chance to push advertisements and experiment to get a higher retention rate. Alternatively, you could keep the existing IP and make atWar 2. That way, the core legacy playerbase (veterans) could stay here and enjoy the game until they (or you) see fit.


Current situation and the "atwar is dying" spam

Game development is not easy, at all. Especially when software associated with it keeps aging and aging... However, the stagnation we have right now is the absolute worst thing we can have. In the name of the few remaining players, please do something other than that, and keep us updated on what is happening (currently - for years - basically nothing).

People are complaining a lot lately that the game is dying, which is not true, but it's certainly not alive and thriving. It reached a point of stagnation where it slowly crawls towards abandonment. You can change that Dave. Only you. Sell atwar... make atwar 2... hire a dev and lock him up in a basement... get on a remote island in the pacific for a month and sell your soul coding 24/7 to improve the game... appoint waffel as the dictator of atwar with a pink shield as a late April's fools joke... just do something, we beg. A major shift in decision making is needed for the few of us and potentially future players.

So yes, most players don't actually mean the game is dying, they just feel that we are moving towards abandonment, because that's what is happening pretty much in front of our eyes. Even if you insist you'll keep it up and running, what's the point of that if you have 10 people remaining in the lobby and no games running? I also think you don't mean that seriously because it sounds kind of evil and disrespectful to let a game die, then keep it running blank, carrying it as a shield saying "see? I did not shut it down". I would love to think that you have more respect for us and yourself, only saying that as a PR stunt to calm us down among the atwar is dying spam.


About banning people... briefly

I honestly support both you and most other people in this thread. If a person severly breaks the guidelines of a platform, they should be banned. That's it.

On the other hand, I can also agree with Palm for example, that banning 10 veteran players in a game with ~100 active players daily is essentially like shooting yourself in the foot. You have to see that.

In reality, your opinion regarding those bans would be completely valid and I would support you in it, if the game was actually being gradually improved over time, aside from that.


Thanks for reading all that, in case you did.

I know very little about the past and i am very much not entitled to speak about what happened about the banned people and why. But, beeing active between 2020 and now, i can certainly point out that is foolish to ignore the correlation between all those banned people and the declining activity of the game (espetially competitive, and clearly the absence of competitive scene is logically related to the "less retention problem", even if that was already an issue it is clearly not helpfull banning expert people).

Its true, its pointless to talk with some people. As palm said its pointless to talk with SOME people, not all of them. If a bunch of people says they will play if some guy like Lion or whatever would be unbanned, whats the issue about it? Unbann and see what happens. People keep playing? Fine. They bother you? Bann them again. Indeed not much chatting-caring-hours needed.

As Hine said, we are just a bunch of guys willing to play a game we like, and this is all feedback for you man. I never spoke with you Dave, it is true, it is pointless to talk with some people, dont be one of those.

Napísal El Serbio, 02.04.2025 at 09:29

I just wanna play again, is that too much to ask for? Dave, this is business, so please treat it like one.. Does Mark Zuckerberg care what people talk about him on facebook or instagram and goes to ban people? NO.. Its a fucking business and he should do things that will make him money, not argue with cockroaches on forums like an old grandma.. Who cares what we think and speak about you? Just do your best to make this business better. You get money, we get fun by playing our game, win-win, is that hard?

Would be true if only AtWar generated a good profits, not to even mention that has no community feedback, active development, team letters, active discord server with daily and seasonal events, Q&A, etc.
The list could go on, but I will keep it short.

I just wanna play again, is that too much to ask for? Dave, this is business, so please treat it like one.. Does Mark Zuckerberg care what people talk about him on facebook or instagram and goes to ban people? NO.. Its a fucking business and he should do things that will make him money, not argue with cockroaches on forums like an old grandma.. Who cares what we think and speak about you? Just do your best to make this business better. You get money, we get fun by playing our game, win-win, is that hard?

I don't care what Dave says now, I just want Lion unbanned, and by extension the rest of the players.

Napísal Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:06

You know, if everyone who posted on this cry thread actually joined a game.....

Turns out we manage different timezones and shit. And we are also busy. I had to stop playing casual because I could not guarantee having time every 2 days to play my casual turns. Imagine.

Napísal Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:41

Napísal Palmitas, 16.03.2025 at 18:42

I always said this: I believe that people change. People can sometimes see that they fucked up, and correct it. I believe Dave can change mistakes he did in the past.

As for profits, it is a very tough spot indeed, but you can increase activity by just unbanning people, its a no brainer to atleast start from that and give it a shot.

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Im gonna dissect your answer into parts.

"The only mistake I've made with atWar was actually caring TOO much about the community and what other people think." Thats truly debatable to be honest. I have seen people in Discord completly disagree with this, I do think you did care, until you didn't. Keep in mind im a 2019 player, and I remember that at one point you gave away 1 week premium to everyone because of server issues, I know you did in fact care, until you didn't.

"Waffel is the perfect example. I spent HOURS talking with that dude, listening to his concerns, telling him mine, and trying to reach understanding." There my friend, you did the mistake of listening to Waffel. He says 5% correct things 95% retarded stuff. It's not worth it to listen to every single person, you need to listen to the correct person.

"The lesson I've learned: people are gonna bitch no matter what. Nothing I say will change their minds. Just do what you need to do for the best interests of the game and ignore the noise." Some people yes, but putting all in the same box is stupid. Im gonna be honest to you, if Bugs is unbanned I doubt he would cheat again. did he cheat with the 10000 alts he made? he didn't. He just wants to keep playing the game. Keeping him banned is just affecting the activity of the competitive scene: which is probably annoying to you, I get it, we are annoying as fuck sometimes. But that is because we genuinely care about the game. Waffel is an idiot most times, and at this point he doesn't even wanna get unbanned, I know it. However, banning so many people was NOT in the interests of the game. So many people were banned that probably didn't need to be banned on that November 2021 fiasco, that it slowly killed competitive I still don't know why Trystane (Augustus Caesar) was banned. I will not get it. So many people deleted because they were angry that it makes you think. Mesopotamia and Alois were key people in the community and one was head supporter. Makes you think why they deleted aswell.
I was talking to my clanmate Tiger the other day, who is a newbie rank 8, and he told me "The only thing I want is for the game to be more active to be able to cw more" which pains me a lot because in 2019 there was daily cws. It was something normal that I was brought up into. Banning people WAS NOT in the best interests of the game. Banning some? sure. But there is nothing more pointless, as an example, than Osix's ban. He deserved some kind of punishment for being toxic? 1000%. But permaban is insane, considering the person that permabanned him was even more toxic than him. Also, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean you gotta ban them, Waffel could be shouting that he hates you, but imo, as someone that loves stuff like the American 1st amendment, as long as you are not being threateaned, I doubt you should ban them.

"If I had it to do over, I would have banned people faster and not wasted so much time explaining why. Activity was already declining before, and continued declining after.... banning a few toxic people who needed to go didn't do anything to change the course the game was already on. In other words: no great loss. The upshot: somewhat less moderation issues to have to deal with. The trade-off was and is worth it." That would be true if the people were being toxic as fuck, but most of them weren't. You didn't back down of something that basically killed comp, and because of that night in November 2021, the competitive scene is currently what it is. Let's not even start with the head supporter, that used a fucking range bug in a cw vs me, and was previously banned because of a rangebug (which, to be honest, should warrant a removal of the role, and is more deserving of a permaban than other people that YOU or the Admin team banned) Activity kept declining because of what? in Comp because you banned key people in the playerbase and most people deleted their accounts because of that. But, also besides that, WHY THE FUCK ARE THE TUTORIALS COMING SOON SINCE I HAVE MEMORY? Atwar's problem was always retention, you would think the best thing to work would be to try and retain more players, but nope, tutorials are still always coming soon. what a fucking dissapointment, not gonna lie. and there was a great loss, let's not lie to ourselves. Atleast from a comp perspective, that killed comp x3 faster than it would have. Also, always that you have less players the moderation will be less. it's retarded as fuck to say that was an upshot. "If less people vote, there are less votes to count" No shit sherlock.

"It does irritate me however when people say I "don't care" about atWar. It's easy for people to sit back and make accusations when they don't have the real life responsibilities to deal with like I do." Dave, I said this to you once, I'll say it again. IF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH ATWAR, SELL IT. The game is in a state of limbo because nothing happens. Everyone could agree to stop playing the game until you sell it and you prob wouldn't care. I also do not understand why don't you sell the game, considering it's surely in the red.

"I know better than to expect any sympathy or understanding from this community. But I do keep atWar running and deal with the emergencies when things break, no matter how busy I am with other things. Is that the act of someone who doesn't care?" David, thats the fucking minimum, thats what we expect from someone who is the owner, its the minimum thing that he should do. The fact that you even mention this is an embarrassment, I really need to say that.

In 2022 this topic by Waffel would have been insta-archived. What changed? Sascha is the only mod. No other mod is active. Lelouch is no longer active like he was 2 months ago, but even then he did no mod tasks. Dire doesn't even look in the forums, but I don't even know if he is active anymore, considering the current state of the game. Dave, I would seriously consider selling the game, Im not the right person to tell you this, sure. But the game is in the red and you don't have time to deal with it. That should be enough to guarantee a sale from your part. And most of the community at this point hates you, some say it and others don't. Im not trying to be a fucking idiot like Waffel, ok?

Also, you spent a lot of time in world map 2.0 just to result in a huge failure. Why? Maybe because... you need premium to make a game in world map 2.0. I'm not even joking. Make non-prems be able to make that map and put it a 150% sp increase and watch how everyone will play it.

Just my thoughts.

PS: Waffel's post has 26 likes. There is a reason for this. And let's not forget it took you 1 month to answer to this.