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I agree, you guys need to let ego aside and unban ppl, some might be cunts but who of us isnt in one way or another xD

Napísal BlueberryWaffel, 10.04.2025 at 19:20

I think bringing players back and mending the anger toward each other would help the game a lot, but sides need to be more open minded for y'all to reach and agreement. I agree"hi are you there or are you gonna ignore me?" is not a great way to start a conversation but you didn't have to block him. This game is dead and needs some kind of reviving, for example there was six in the room tonight

Noble sentiment, but please keep in mind I'm not the one trying to reach an agreement here. I am content with things as they are. I have no interest in bringing anyone back. If I were to do so, it would only be out of kindness to the people asking me. If somebody wants me to unban somebody, they should approach it from that perspective. Because I am quite happy with having less headaches to deal with, and I am totally fine with it if we never reach any agreement.

Napísal winkcat, 10.04.2025 at 19:11

just keep hackers and people who are crazy toxic banned... so simple...

I agree. Bye bye.

I think bringing players back and mending the anger toward each other would help the game a lot, but sides need to be more open minded for y'all to reach and agreement. I agree"hi are you there or are you gonna ignore me?" is not a great way to start a conversation but you didn't have to block him. This game is dead and needs some kind of reviving, for example there was six in the room tonight

Link is not working. I guess I am banned for noobness.

Napísal Palmitas, 10.04.2025 at 17:28

Dave as a genuine question: IK you are not wanting to unban everyone, but, would you consider unbanning some people if they apologized to you correctly?

Yes, of course I will consider anyone case-by-case. Maybe they owe me an apology, maybe they don't. Maybe they need to do something else. It all depends on who it is.

Napísal Phoenix, 10.04.2025 at 12:13

Neither of you are going to like what I have to say here but you both need to hear it.

In my view there is a spectrum of people that have been banned, some I think are redeemable but need to reconcile with Dave first and others who just shouldn't be here because they went too far.

Waffel, while you have some valid points and I can sympathise with your experience of being banned, you need to see that the way you're defending yourself also reads as further attacks on Dave. You guys clearly don't like each other, but the way you're going about picking apart what Dave did or didnt do and the way he sees the world isn't doing you or him or the community any favours, its self masturbatory, its unnecessary, - its an itch you keep scratching and the rash is only getting worse. I know you can type for hours on end, you should be a fucking lawyer if you're not one btw because you clearly have an accute sense of injustice... But here and now, its not helping anyone. Have you tried to see things from his perspective?

and Dave, this is your game, its your call what you do, but there is a case to be made for putting some of these guys on parole. I don't like Waffel either, he's irritating as fuck and he knows it, but he is a prime example of someone that should be placed on a prolonged mute as opposed to a perma ban, why? Because he's on the side of the game, he wants it to do well and continue, he just has a cracked way of showing it. If he didnt he wouldnt be bombarding you with these messages in the forums.

In my opinion, if I was in Daves shoes I probably would have banned Waffel too because he can't help himself, he's like a dog with a bone.. if he feels crossed, he won't let go. But after a while I would also probably get over it and be willling to bring him back with some kind of prolonged mute in effect and I wouldnt unmute him until I received an apology, because ultimately I see some of myself in him and I know it would take a lot for me to apologise too. I think the same can be said of others that were banned, but thats not for me to decide.

I'm not going to add any more to this post, all this ban drama is tiring and think we all need to move on. I meant what I said about Dave keeping the lights on, we should all show a little gratitude. I welcome others to do the same.

Sure there are cases to be made for putting certain people on parole. There are some people that will remain a hard "no" from me, while there are others I'm open to reconsidering. Especially those that never went through the appeals process to begin with. I'm willing to talk about anyone on a case-by-case basis.

Waffel I really don't know what do with. I honestly don't remember why he was banned. I guess that's why I've been allowing him to be here posting on his alt. But I was looking at the history and I see he was permabanned by Sid, and I've been thinking that I probably should be upholding that ban and removing his alt now. This would be following our standard policy and probably I've been too nice by not doing anything yet.

I honestly can't read Waffel's posts anyway... I try to, but after only a couple of lines he's already accusing me of things that I know are not true, and I just don't feel like wasting the time trying to correct him. I remember trying that already a long time ago and the dude just doesn't listen.... like no matter what I tell him, it gets muddled in his brain and turned into fresh accusations. I'm tired of it, so yes I ignore him. He reached out to me on Discord the other day because I guess he wanted to talk with me and smooth things out? But the way he came at me was "hi are you there or are you gonna ignore me?". The dude can't be normal and say "hi how are you?" he has to be combative right off the bat, so yeah I blocked him. I have concluded that any conversation with him is a waste of time at this point.

I guess I'm just waiting to see how this thread plays out before I ban & delete his alt.

Napísal Sascha, 10.04.2025 at 10:17

Napísal El Serbio, 10.04.2025 at 08:45

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Just a few months ago, he made a video about an exploit and shared them with pretty much everyone. The video is now private, but honestly, if he had good intentions, he could've just told us directly.
As much as I would support the unban or 2nd chances for most people, he would be one of those where I'm not sure if it would be the right thing to do.
For everyone else, it would make me happy seeing some more old faces around, but it's not my call at the end of the day.

At last, I don't think I have to repeat what so many have already said, but Tiger29's and Domo's posts represent what I'm thinking more or less.

Bugs is a genuine psychopath. The last time I even mentioned his name (like 2 days ago) he showed up within an hour, made several posts on a new alt, and then as soon as I deleted and banned those we started getting ddos'd. It has been the same pattern with him for as long as I've been here, so what 6 years and counting? I hate to even mention his name now because it like summons him and he'll do the same shit again very soon. He's a guy who will never be allowed back, ever, under any circumstances.

Dave as a genuine question: IK you are not wanting to unban everyone, but, would you consider unbanning some people if they apologized to you correctly?

> he could do a lot to help the game
Lmao even

Once again, bugs cannot change, has never showed any capability for change and is an all around net negative for the game. This isn't a cheated once 8 years ago incident. This is a repetitive abuse of the game and players lasting near a decade. He's so stupid and ego-driven he somehow made a name for himself despite being barred from entry since the moment he made his account. He was never apart of the Atwar community. He was a cancerous tumor attached to the underbelly of this game for years, refusing to walk away.

If Sphinx, a known toxic competitive player, endorser of laissez faire moderation and free markets is telling you, you're wrong…..you're wrong.

Dave may not have gotten everything right. But he is right on bugs and osix. That's the last I have to say.

Napísal Dave, 09.04.2025 at 14:58

Napísal Waffelo, 09.04.2025 at 19:48

Neither of you are going to like what I have to say here but you both need to hear it.

In my view there is a spectrum of people that have been banned, some I think are redeemable but need to reconcile with Dave first and others who just shouldn't be here because they went too far.

Waffel, while you have some valid points and I can sympathise with your experience of being banned, you need to see that the way you're defending yourself also reads as further attacks on Dave. You guys clearly don't like each other, but the way you're going about picking apart what Dave did or didnt do and the way he sees the world isn't doing you or him or the community any favours, its self masturbatory, its unnecessary, - its an itch you keep scratching and the rash is only getting worse. I know you can type for hours on end, you should be a fucking lawyer if you're not one btw because you clearly have an accute sense of injustice... But here and now, its not helping anyone. Have you tried to see things from his perspective?

and Dave, this is your game, its your call what you do, but there is a case to be made for putting some of these guys on parole. I don't like Waffel either, he's irritating as fuck and he knows it, but he is a prime example of someone that should be placed on a prolonged mute as opposed to a perma ban, why? Because he's on the side of the game, he wants it to do well and continue, he just has a cracked way of showing it. If he didnt he wouldnt be bombarding you with these messages in the forums.

In my opinion, if I was in Daves shoes I probably would have banned Waffel too because he can't help himself, he's like a dog with a bone.. if he feels crossed, he won't let go. But after a while I would also probably get over it and be willling to bring him back with some kind of prolonged mute in effect and I wouldnt unmute him until I received an apology, because ultimately I see some of myself in him and I know it would take a lot for me to apologise too. I think the same can be said of others that were banned, but thats not for me to decide.

I'm not going to add any more to this post, all this ban drama is tiring and think we all need to move on. I meant what I said about Dave keeping the lights on, we should all show a little gratitude. I welcome others to do the same.

Napísal Dave, 08.04.2025 at 18:11

Napísal Weisser Wolf, 07.04.2025 at 22:39

Dave,

I think it goes without saying at this point—everyone has already shared their thoughts on the current state of the game: the players you've refused to unban, the slow pace of improvements, and the steady decline in activity. However, I'd like to comment on one particular aspect.

A true leader knows when to acknowledge a mistake. And if you're looking for examples, some of the most respected CEOs—like those of Microsoft or Apple—have publicly admitted when they've made the wrong call. That's not weakness, that's humility. I say this with the utmost respect: I hope you take a moment to genuinely reflect.

Even users often labeled as toxic or disruptive—like Kaska—have recognized that the mass banning of players has gone too far. And honestly, if someone like me, who used to be known for toxic behavior in duels and clan wars, can admit it was time to grow up and stop playing the victim, I believe change is possible. I had to take a "forced vacation" myself, and I now recognize how counterproductive that attitude was.

As Kaska suggested, why not simply unban those users but mute them from everything except private messages? What real harm could they do? If you give them a second chance, many of them might return—and with them, activity could increase again. We could even experiment with fresh concepts: maybe an "ancient season," or a rotation of never-before-seen maps. As we all know, atWar has near-infinite creative potential.

And if time or resources are the problem, subcontracting is always an option. Outsourcing some work to experienced developers—say, from Mexico or India—could go a long way. Believe me, as a business and process consultant, I say this from experience.

As many have said, an event where you make Waffel super admin or I don't know, something innovative while simply AIing the game or fixing bugs in the maps. And on the topic of Lion nuking the discord, please Dave, it's not like it was the end of the world. I bet Croat or someone else who had the power to do that over a little tantrum could have done it.

It's time to move into the future, even games that were abandonware are reviving thanks to the community, you need a real community manager for the game and maybe, dedicate yourself to the technical, marketing and business issues of the game and believe me many people in the community would be happy to help as it was in that era when Alois and not a certain bug abuser was the head supporter.

I know I'm repeating things others have already pointed out, but I still felt it was worth adding my two cents to the conversation.

I agree that a good leader admits when he is wrong and I like to believe I have that ability too. I've already stated in this thread that I made a mistake wasting too much time talking with the community instead of just focusing on what I knew needed to be done. But as regards removing the people who needed to be removed, I remain convinced it was the right decision.

I hear so many people say "give them a second chance", "maybe they've changed", or sentiments to this effect. Do you not realize, we already did that? Many of the troublemakers who ultimately got banned or deleted in 2021 were people who had ALREADY been through rounds of bans, appeals, and second chances. People must have short memory spans, but I still remember. So if you wonder why I'm unwilling to unban again, it's because we already tried that and it didn't work. I have no interest in going down that road again.

I am also surprised that for as much as people talk about the "good ol' days of atWar", the community, the friendships.... all these things people look back fondly at.... and yet they seem to have no problem with Lion having destroyed a big part of that history forever. It's paradoxical to me that anyone would miss the past and yet defend Lion destroying that same past.

Most AW players didn't even know a discord server existed. I don't think it destroyed a big part of AW history

Napísal El Serbio, 10.04.2025 at 08:45

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Just a few months ago, he made a video about an exploit and shared them with pretty much everyone. The video is now private, but honestly, if he had good intentions, he could've just told us directly.
As much as I would support the unban or 2nd chances for most people, he would be one of those where I'm not sure if it would be the right thing to do.
For everyone else, it would make me happy seeing some more old faces around, but it's not my call at the end of the day.

At last, I don't think I have to repeat what so many have already said, but Tiger29's and Domo's posts represent what I'm thinking more or less.

Napísal YourSphinx, 08.04.2025 at 09:31

Napísal El Serbio, 08.04.2025 at 07:24

As for xBugs—we played years ago when he was around rank 7. I'm not his biggest fan because his ego might actually be bigger than yours, but I can't deny he's smart and could do a lot to help the game. Did he cheat? Yes. Would he do it again if unbanned? I honestly don't think so. I don't even know if we'd end up playing again, but you get the point.

You lost all credibility when you said bugs should be unbanned. That unhinged freak has been perma banned for many years before Dave and should be forever.

"The enemy of my enemy is not my friend"

Any idea/movement bugs attaches himself to is wildly unserious. It's time you understand that.

He is not smart. He cannot create, only destroy.

He can hardly be considered an atwar player, he cheated as a rank 2 in 2017 and has been perma banned since, with short stints of playing under an alt. He is not a part of this community, drop it.

I don't agree with you.. I cheated too when i was young(on other games). Will i do it again? No.
He was permabanned 8 YEARS AGO.. People grow up and changes, you know? Except Mauzer.

Napísal Tiger29, 09.04.2025 at 20:39

The more I watch this play out the more I realize the whole problem is everyone cares about this game, but is too mad at each other to reach a peaceful solution. I wish everyone could agree so change could happen. The game is dying, and we are all here arguing instead of seeking peace. We are holding old grudges against people from 4 years ago Guys let's forgive each other and move on and enjoy this game.

Yea I've been playing this game since 2017, sad to see how many players I used to play with banned off the platform or just completely inactive

The more I watch this play out the more I realize the whole problem is everyone cares about this game, but is too mad at each other to reach a peaceful solution. I wish everyone could agree so change could happen. The game is dying, and we are all here arguing instead of seeking peace. We are holding old grudges against people from 4 years ago Guys let's forgive each other and move on and enjoy this game.

I love at war cant we all be friends UwU

Napísal YourSphinx, 09.04.2025 at 19:39

The issue is there's no single goal here, the constant moving of goal posts from the players, no congruent plan. Players need to understand they can cry as hard as they want and there's some things that will not change and rightly so.

And from Dave's end I guess, he hasn't concretely specified on who's banned forever and who's not, there seems to be some level of wiggle room for some and none for others, which is understandable.

I have no dog in this fight anymore.

I just hope both sides have fun.

This is right aswell. I just wished some sort of agreement could be made between both sides, however as of right now it doesn't seem possible. I want some players to come back to comp, thats all man.

The issue is there's no single goal here, the constant moving of goal posts from the players, no congruent plan. Players need to understand they can cry as hard as they want and there's some things that will not change and rightly so.

And from Dave's end I guess, he hasn't concretely specified on who's banned forever and who's not, there seems to be some level of wiggle room for some and none for others, which is understandable.

I have no dog in this fight anymore.

I just hope both sides have fun.

Napísal Khauman, 09.04.2025 at 15:47

Both sides think they're too good to change, truly a sad thing to see. On the one hand the banned players can't stop being obsessed and toxic towards Dave. And Dave is hardstuck on the idea that unbanning is wrong. I'm not saynig either side is right but if only there were a solution that both could apoligize and both could work together to please both sides, I could definitely work towards mending a deal or helping in any way.

this

Back to my earlier post, I still believe that people cannot be inherently good or bad they are simply products of their surroundings, this doesn't excuse anyone for having what humans consider morally wrong by the general population but rather provides vital context on what makes someone act the way they do. However I will say there are probably people who act worse on their emotions and people who choose to be bad.

I'm particularly interested in learning more about Orthodox Christianity, which was mentioned earlier in this thread. I admittedly don't know much about it, but what little I've heard and read sounds appealing to me. I've found there is a Greek Orthodox church near where I live, which I want to go visit but have not done so yet.

Lately I've also been considering the idea that maybe "good" and "evil" are forces that exist in the universe and that people are merely "lenses" (for lack of a better word) through which good or evil can flow? That maybe those people we consider "evil" are just more highly susceptible to allowing the evil force to flow through them? (I haven't fully thought this out...)

I went through an experience recently with someone who I genuinely thought was a "good" person, who turned out to actually be a very evil person. Not using the word "evil" lightly, I mean really one of the select few I've encountered in my life who I would actually apply the word "evil" to. It makes me think that evil sometimes masquerades as good in order to deceive you, which makes things even more confusing and difficult to figure out. But I digress. (This experience I'm referring to has no connection with atWar so please don't read too much into it.)

Both sides think they're too good to change, truly a sad thing to see. On the one hand the banned players can't stop being obsessed and toxic towards Dave. And Dave is hardstuck on the idea that unbanning is wrong. I'm not saynig either side is right but if only there were a solution that both could apoligize and both could work together to please both sides, I could definitely work towards mending a deal or helping in any way.

Crazy to see people I once spent nights playing with last logged in 10 years ago. Great times. I'll never forget Afterwind and the friendships it gave me. I wish I could relive those days, but it's impossible. The game has changed, so has the internet and our lives.

Napísal Dave, 09.04.2025 at 14:58

Napísal Lev Davidovic, 09.04.2025 at 09:09

Dave man, i can't quite crack your code of behaviour. You keep the game running despite it dying, and i thank you for it. You even keep coming here anwering (almost) all the requests and comments (even if focusing on some parts and ignoring others). I love that, i interpret those as acts of a person who care, but in the same time the content of your comments seems to always state the same thing: "4 or more years have passed - not gonna change my mind - all those people will remain out of the game - all the discussion is (has been, will be) useless - game gonna keep dying deal with it".
It almost looks like you are a pure soul captive of your own ego, desperatly wrapped between trying to do the interest of the game (and the community) and standing still proving a point old years, blindly believing that relinquishing it will harm whats left of the game and the community.
I would love to help that pure soul, one way or an other (kill whats left of this game, perhaps sell it, or try save it), i just dont know how to.

There are people here who are mad at me because I'm not giving them what they want. According to them I'm an evil narcissist. So that's one possibility to explain my code of behavior.

Let me propose another possibility. I'm not going to tell you what to think -- all I ask is you consider the following, and then decide for yourself which explanation of my behavior best fits reality.

Maybe I'm not an egoist, or a narcissist, or even a bad guy at all.
Maybe I do care about atWar, and feel obligated to protect it / preserve it.
Maybe I really do believe that removing those people from the community was a net positive for atWar.
Maybe I reject the argument to "unban", not because I'm not hearing what people are saying, but because I believe it would be a mistake.
Maybe I think that less activity is preferable to bad activity.
Maybe I think we are actually better off this way.

I choose to answer you this because you seem like somebody who is rational and open to listening. Take from that what you will.

what happened?

Napísal Lev Davidovic, 09.04.2025 at 09:09

Dave man, i can't quite crack your code of behaviour. You keep the game running despite it dying, and i thank you for it. You even keep coming here anwering (almost) all the requests and comments (even if focusing on some parts and ignoring others). I love that, i interpret those as acts of a person who care, but in the same time the content of your comments seems to always state the same thing: "4 or more years have passed - not gonna change my mind - all those people will remain out of the game - all the discussion is (has been, will be) useless - game gonna keep dying deal with it".
It almost looks like you are a pure soul captive of your own ego, desperatly wrapped between trying to do the interest of the game (and the community) and standing still proving a point old years, blindly believing that relinquishing it will harm whats left of the game and the community.
I would love to help that pure soul, one way or an other (kill whats left of this game, perhaps sell it, or try save it), i just dont know how to.

There are people here who are mad at me because I'm not giving them what they want. According to them I'm an evil narcissist. So that's one possibility to explain my code of behavior.

Let me propose another possibility. I'm not going to tell you what to think -- all I ask is you consider the following, and then decide for yourself which explanation of my behavior best fits reality.

Maybe I'm not an egoist, or a narcissist, or even a bad guy at all.
Maybe I do care about atWar, and feel obligated to protect it / preserve it.
Maybe I really do believe that removing those people from the community was a net positive for atWar.
Maybe I reject the argument to "unban", not because I'm not hearing what people are saying, but because I believe it would be a mistake.
Maybe I think that less activity is preferable to bad activity.
Maybe I think we are actually better off this way.

I choose to answer you this because you seem like somebody who is rational and open to listening. Take from that what you will.

I used to ask myself this question a lot, I wondered if I was a good or bad person (selfish reason but everything we do is in self interest, its unavoidable, even in ant colonies where the community is the whole, the individual worker benefits from its prosperity).

But then I took a 5mg of Psilocybin and since then stopped asking the question. I know I'm a good person because I actively work on it and try to do good, regardless of my execution. The moment I stop caring about being good or trying to be good is the moment I fail myself and those around me.

Its also true that what is good is a matter of perspective, the key thing is that you keep asking yourself if you're happy with what you did even as your own perspective changes. If not, learn from it and just try to make a better decision next time based on what you learned.

The only serious bad thing is to steal. To steal the truth, to steal a life, to steal someone else's choice. But the truth can always be given back and a choice can always be re-presented. A life? If it's between yours and theirs it's not stealing, you were forced to make a choice which means the choice was stolen from you in the beginning.

Peace

Dave man, i can't quite crack your code of behaviour. You keep the game running despite it dying, and i thank you for it. You even keep coming here anwering (almost) all the requests and comments (even if focusing on some parts and ignoring others). I love that, i interpret those as acts of a person who care, but in the same time the content of your comments seems to always state the same thing: "4 or more years have passed - not gonna change my mind - all those people will remain out of the game - all the discussion is (has been, will be) useless - game gonna keep dying deal with it".
It almost looks like you are a pure soul captive of your own ego, desperatly wrapped between trying to do the interest of the game (and the community) and standing still proving a point old years, blindly believing that relinquishing it will harm whats left of the game and the community.
I would love to help that pure soul, one way or an other (kill whats left of this game, perhaps sell it, or try save it), i just dont know how to.

Napísal Dave, 08.04.2025 at 22:28

They need to apologize to me (and really to atWar as a whole), not the other way around.

This needs to be highlighted.

If you or you know of someone that was banned that wants to be here, I would encourage you to try and reach out to Dave privately and ask for a fresh start. AW is full of passionate people and passions flare up. The trick is understanding that most of us have the same interests here. We all want AW to continue and do well.

Napísal Skittzophrenic, 08.04.2025 at 22:21

I've been on this game for over 13 years. I've made a lot of friends and a lot of enemies... and I miss both.

Preach!
Long time no see Skkitz